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During the coronavirus crisis, I am answering a question every weekend day posed by parents on my newsletter list.

You’ll find the latest Q&A below. I hope you can benefit from it! Lynn O’Shaughnessy

Question from an Indiana mom:

Our senior has been accepted to University of California, San Diego, which is her top choice as an out-of-state public university.

She also got into her back-up, in-state school. The in-state school is Indiana University with a direct admit to Hutton Honors College, Kelley School of Business and a Provost Scholarship of $8,000 per year.

We do not qualify for financial aid and would have to take out student loans to complete her undergraduate degree at UCSD. 

Currently she has enough funds in a 529 plan to pay for in-state tuition with funds leftover for graduate school. Should we try to appeal for reduced tuition from UCSD?

Currently her major is psychology with the thought of becoming a psychologist. She is longing to get out of the Midwest and live near the ocean

My answer:

As far as I’m concerned, the answer to this question is simple:

Attend Indiana University!!

UCSD’s cost of attendance for non-residents is $61,295 for the current year. (UCSD’s nonresident price for the 2020-2021 school year is not available yet.)

This family could end up paying $250,000 for a bachelor’s degree in psychology from UCSD.

Now let’s contrast that with what this household would pay for Indiana University in Bloomington. Subtracting the $8,000 annual scholarship from the sticker price of $24,417 for the 2020-2021 would bring the four-year tab to roughly $66,000.

My own question is this:

Is attending college in sunny San Diego (where I’ve been a resident for nearly 30 years) really worth paying $184,000 more for a bachelor’s degree?

The fact that I even have to ask that question illustrates how emotional the college selection process is. And  how irrational it can be.

I think the choice in this instance is a clear one.

By choosing Indiana U., the parents can save a huge amount of money that can be used, if they wish, to help their child with graduate school.

If this teenager hopes to become a psychologist, she will need graduate school.

Saying no to a dream school

I’d urge anyone who is considering over paying for their child’s dream school to read this success story of parents who refused to spend the money.

The parents vetoed their daughter’s desire to attend Northwestern at full cost (they didn’t qualify for financial aid) and instead the urged her daughter to attend University of Pittsburgh where she received a large merit scholarship.

What’s cool about this story is that the dad gave me updates while the daughter was thriving at Pitt.

She ultimately had lots of graduate school choices. She is currently at Oxford University and the money the parent saved for the bachelor’s degree is being used for her graduate studies.

Northwestern vs University of Pittsburgh

Squeezing more money from UCSD?

Asking UCSD for a price break won’t work.  Unlike plenty of college, UCSD doesn’t have to offer a price break to an affluent student whether they live in California or not.

Only 1% of freshmen at UCSD receive a merit scholarship.

The dearth of merit scholarships is typical of the University of California campuses.

Admirably, the UCs want to devote their aid to students who need it. That is actually a rare position among the nation’s public universities.

Over the years, merit scholarships have been exploding at state universities across the nation. And I should add, this is happening at the expense of students who actually need financial help.

You can learn all about this phenomenon by reading this excellent report by Stephen Burd, a phenomenal higher-ed journalist and researcher, who is at the New American Foundation.

New America and state universities, Stephen Burd

Why are the UCs so expensive for nonresidents?

UCSD, UC Berkeley and UCLA are always among the nation’s most expensive state universities for outsiders because these schools can attract nonresidents due to their brand name. Enough high-income families are willing to pay a high price for a brand name.

The UCs recruit affluent nonresidents to come to their campuses so they can charge them extremely high tuition to underwrite their operations.

Does where you attend college matter?

By the way, there is absolutely no reason to think that UCSD will be a better school than Indiana University!!

Research strongly suggests that what’s most important is not where you go to college, but whether you make the most of your time at wherever you land.

Here’s a blog post I wrote about this phenomenon

Final advice

Save your money and come out to San Diego for a vacation. We can meet up when you are here and you could tell me how it turned out!

Learn more:

Especially during this scary time, it is absolutely crucial that you become a smart consumer as you weight your college choices. You can do that and ultimately save tens of thousands of dollars or more by enrolling in my online course, the College Cost Lab.

You can learn more here.

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Published Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 18:46:06 +0000

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Webinar Recap: How COVID-19 is Affecting Financial Aid

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Many families are facing new financial challenges in light of the coronavirus emergency, and College Confidential has fielded dozens of questions on this topic recently. To address those queries, we hosted a webinar on April 9 entitled “Paying for College Amid Changes Due to the Impact of COVID-19.”


During the event, moderated by Aaron Murphy, manager of learning and development with Inside Track, the following panelists offered their perspectives on the issue:

  • Denise Trusty, director of financial aid with Morehead State University
  • Laura Reisert Kalinkewicz, associate vice president of college partnerships with RaiseMe
  • Amy Nelson, director of sales at International Scholarship and Tuition Services
  • Charlie Javice, founder and CEO of Frank.

Check out the following topics that the panelists discussed, along with their views of how things may unfold amid the financial challenges brought on by the coronavirus outbreak.

Family Finances Changed? Contact Your Schools

If you plan to start college in the fall as a freshman — or return to school as an existing student — and your financial situation has changed since you applied for financial aid, you should contact the colleges on your list immediately. Financial aid departments can consider appeals for more money, but must base these decisions on each individual student’s situation, Trusty said.

“I know with Morehead State, where I work, we will be doing professional judgement calls on all students who say they’ve been affected,” she noted. “We will reach out to those students to see what we can do to help them maybe obtain additional funding, additional grants, scholarships, whatever they would be eligible for. We do professional judgment all the time for our students, because things happen all the time. This year will be an especially large amount of those, I’m sure, but those are up to individual schools to make that call for their students.”

In addition, she added, the Department of Education has set aside over $6 billion for additional grants and scholarships that the universities will be able to use. “Currently, I don’t know how that’s all going to play into this,” Trusty said. “So that will be up to each individual university on how they lay those out. I know it will be beneficial, I just don’t know how available that will be to each student.”

Keep in mind that schools are accustomed to reviewing financial aid appeals, and they all have processes in place for to do so. “It is really, really important to know that schools typically leave a budget from 10 percent to 20 percent or so of their financial aid dollars for what would be called a professional judgment bucket,”Javice said. “Therefore, there is additional money to be had, and it’s up to you to request it. You should approach your school as soon as you know you might need more money, and be prepared to show supporting documentation demonstrating how your finances are different from when you filed your FAFSA initially. This might require proof of a job loss, medical bills, a cut in pay or another such issue, Javice said.

In addition, if another school gave you a better financial offer, you can petition the school that gave you the lower offer for more money, Javice noted. “This typically works better for private institutions versus public state schools, given the fact that they have a little bit more discrepancy and more dollars to put to work in terms of a tuition discount,” she added. “This is solely up to the school on a case by case basis.” In some cases, the money is distributed on a first come, first serve timeline, so don’t wait if you know you need more aid.

Although financial aid can be a stressful topic, try not to be emotional when you request more money, Javice added. You’ll get a lot further by having organized documentation to present than you would by getting angry or upset, she noted.

Consider Outside Scholarships

The coronavirus situation has changed plans not only for incoming freshmen, but also for current college students, Nelson said. “Organizations are stepping up and trying to find ways to provide additional scholarship opportunities this year,” she noted. Students should be proactive in seeking those options.

Raise Me is offering new micro-scholarships for students who are seeking additional funding sources, Kalinkewicz said. In addition, she encourages students to ask colleges for more time to make decisions, even if the school hasn’t extended its deposit process. You can always try and request additional time to get your financial aid package right, she noted.

Finding more money is not relegated to younger students, Javice added. “Adult learners comprise the biggest group of people actually going to college today,” she noted. It’s very common for people to be seeking new types of skills and going back to college to gain additional degrees. Financial aid is available to adult learners, and they may even get aid to pay such costs as rent, she added. In addition, they can seek outside scholarships or employer-matching funds to pay for their educations.

Not Necessarily Too Late to File FAFSA

Students who didn’t file a FAFSA already should do that as soon as possible so you can get access to financial aid funds, Javice said. Federal FAFSA deadlines are usually in June, but states make their own deadlines for state aid. Some states, such as New Jersey, have moved their deadlines back for this year, so check to make sure you stay on top of your deadlines.

And if you file for financial aid and you decide you don’t want it, you can always decline the financial offer or portions of that offer, Nelson said. Your best bet is to apply so you can take what you need and decline any amounts you don’t need. Even if you don’t think you qualify for financial aid, you should apply anyway because you could be surprised at what you’re offered. “You really need to complete that [FAFSA] process every year,” Nelson said. “The process is very easy, and jobs can come and go. It’s your safety net and you want to make sure you’ve completed it. It makes it a whole lot easier when situations like this arise.”

Some colleges also have supplemental applications to fill out for particular types of aid, so always reach out to your financial aid office for information on which documentation you should be completing, Kalinkewicz said.

Could Families — Not Schools — Be in the Driver’s Seat?

Because many merit scholarships are based on test scores and GPAs, some high school juniors are concerned that they won’t have access to those in the coming year. With test dates being canceled and grades moving to pass/fail, they fear they won’t meet the criteria to earn such scholarships.

“It’s clear to me that colleges and universities know the extraordinary circumstances we’re under,” Nelson said. “All schools are leaning forward and considering all options as the situation develops. I would continue to encourage juniors to stay engaged and stay informed.” You should also watch to see what happens with test dates, she said. The ACT and SAT dates could change, and some schools may forego the need for a test score altogether, she added.

In addition, some merit scholarships that have traditionally been based on test scores may become test optional, Kalinkewicz noted.

Keep in mind that in many cases, families are in the driver’s seat rather than having the colleges be in charge, Javice said. Some schools have lost revenue and are very eager for students right now, “so if you are scared because you thought you could never get into a specific school from an admission criteria standpoint, this is your year to stretch, this is your year to think about the schools that are your reach category and go for it, because schools need the money and need the students. So the power that used to be in an admissions office is in you, the student or the family’s hands,” she said.

She also advises juniors to request application waivers from schools to save the $50 to $100 or so per application that they would normally pay. The schools may say no, but it won’t hurt to ask, she advised. “Persistence is key when dealing with schools,” Javice noted.

Federal Student Loans Payment Suspended

As many families are aware, payments on federal student loans are automatically suspended from March 13 through September 30, 2020 thanks to the government’s CARES Act. This is essential to keep in mind, particularly for families that have multiple children in various stages of the college process.

“You will stop paying your loans and you will have zero interest from now until September 30, and that’s important for parents to know,” Nelson said regarding existing federal student loans. “If you had an auto draft, the auto draft has been shut off and will not continue. You can, however, continue to make those payments if you’d like, and any interest you had before March 13, once that interest is paid up, all your payments will go directly toward your principal.” She advises families with federally-backed loans to check with their loan servicing agents, because they have a lot of information for both parent and student borrowers on how the CARES Act will impact payments for the next six months.

Student Job Gone? Colleges Might Help

For students who expect to earn money via part-time or full-time work to pay for college, but can’t do so due to the coronavirus, colleges may have resources to help. “There are many colleges and universities that have put together emergency grants for students to cover expenses that they were maybe not expecting because of COVID-19,” Nelson said. “They are making accommodations to try and make up for that lost income for students.”

Trusty said Morehead State is continuing to pay students who were on federal work-study. “If they had a job, we are still paying them right now as if they were working, although they are not. In the summer, those funds will be flipped over to emergency grant funds. So we will make sure that our students are covered and can live as if they were employed with the work-study position.”

Some colleges have even made remote work available to students, Kalinkewicz added. Therefore, contact your financial aid office to determine if any accommodations are available to make up for lost student income whenever possible.

Consider Other Options to Save

If you are seeking ways to save money on college, you should also consider other resources, whether that means less expensive colleges, in-state options or potentially transferring down the road, Janice said. You can also save money by taking classes at a community college to pay a lower cost for your credits that can be transferred to a four-year college later.

“If you have that target institution in mind — maybe you’ve already been admitted there but your family has determined a year of community college will really help stretch things further — work on articulation agreements or a plan so you are taking the right classes that actually have the ability to transfer toward the degree you want at your target institution, not necessarily just as credit,” Kalinkewicz said.

In addition, many colleges offer merit aid for transfer students, she added. So always look for every potential financial aid and scholarship resource to best maximize your package and allow your dollars to stretch as far as possible.

Resource: To review the entire hour-long webinar, you can watch the replay here.

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By: Torrey Kim
Title: Webinar Recap: How COVID-19 is Affecting Financial Aid
Sourced From: insights.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-amid-covid-19
Published Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 15:22:20 +0000

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